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Marlcliff Security Services / BG-Demo – Renewal

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Marlcliff Security Services logo Marlcliff Security Services · 5 May 2026 14:45

Finance Director Nigel Fairbrother would not decide on the 5 May 2026 call and wants numbers first. He questioned nine or ten active users out of forty licences. Renewal is open at the £44k Growth list price, against £40k now.

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As at Fri 9 Oct 2026

Finance Director Nigel Fairbrother would not decide on the 5 May 2026 call and wants numbers first. He questioned nine or ten active users out of forty licences. Renewal is open at the £44k Growth list price, against £40k now.

What happened: Daniel Okafor and Lewis Kerr walked Nigel Fairbrother and Michelle Pomeroy through usage, price and timing. Nigel said at the start that he was not deciding anything on the call.

Customer view: Nigel read nine or ten daily users against forty licences as a quarter of what Marlcliff pays for. Michelle, from credit control, said her team use it every morning but could not put a figure on the saving.

Commercial: Lewis said the first-term discount ends at renewal and that the open renewal deal is £44k against the current £40k. Nigel asked for the difference in pounds on the quote. Payment is on time, there were no tickets in the last thirty days, and Lewis advised against adding users.

Watch: The decision rests on a one-page summary by team and a count of invoice disputes. The call ended with a follow-up booked for about a week after that page arrives.

AI · claude-sonnet-5-5 · as at Fri 9 Oct 2026

Themes

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
Theme
Growth renewal value case
Importance
renewal
Sentiment
mixed
Voice
decision-maker

Who was there

BG-Demo

Them

Follow-up

Next steps

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • Lewis Kerr sends the renewal quote on 5 May 2026 with VAT shown and the difference from £39,600 spelled out.
  • Daniel Okafor sends a one-page usage summary by team the following week and offers training slots by Friday.
  • Michelle Pomeroy counts invoice disputes from the accounting system for the next call.

Risks

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • Nigel Fairbrother sees only nine or ten daily users on forty Growth licences and wants a measurable saving before renewing.
  • The renewal moves from £39,600 to the £44,000 list price as the first-term discount ends, and he wants the difference shown in pounds.
  • Michelle Pomeroy could not put a number on the benefit, so the value case currently rests on anecdote.

Opportunities

As at Fri 9 Oct 2026
  • Credit control and account managers already use B-Viz daily, and Michelle called the combined invoice, patrol and incident view the part she would be sorry to lose.
  • A one-page summary by team and a count of disputes handled could turn the anecdotes into a figure Nigel can use.
  • A training hour for account managers who have not logged in much could lift usage on the licences already paid for.

Transcript

  1. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    Hello, can you hear me all right? I think I'm the first one in.
  2. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    Afternoon, Daniel. Yes, loud and clear. I'll admit the others from the lobby.
  3. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Hello, afternoon both. Is the picture a bit slow for you, or is it just me?
  4. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    A touch behind, but the sound is fine. Michelle, thank you for making the time. Is Nigel joining us as well?
  5. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    I'm here. Sorry, I was finishing a margin report. How many users are actually using it these days?
  6. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    Straight in, lovely. I do have that, and I'll come to it in a moment. Let me just say thank you all for your time first, because I know the week is busy.
  7. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    And just so we're all clear on why we're here: the Growth subscription runs to 4 Jun 2026, and the renewal falls on 5 Jun 2026. I'd like to leave today knowing what you want to renew, and by when you need the paperwork.
  8. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Fine. But I'm not deciding anything on this call. I want to see the numbers before the renewal.
  9. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    Understood, and that's entirely reasonable. We'll send you what you need.
  10. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    Shall I share my screen? I've got the usage view up. Tell me if you can see it.
  11. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Yes, I can see it. It's a bit small. Could you make it bigger?
  12. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    Is that better? Good. So, Nigel, you have forty licences on Growth. Over the last thirty days, around nine or ten people have been active on an average day. That is up by about half compared with the quarter before.
  13. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Nine or ten out of forty. That's a quarter of what we pay for.
  14. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    That is a fair way to put it, and I won't dress it up. Daily average and the number of people who have ever logged in are different things, though. Can I show you who they are?
  15. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Go on.
  16. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    So the heaviest group is the control room, then the account managers, and Michelle's credit control team. The account managers are the newest and they've grown the most since the winter.
  17. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    That's right. My team use it every morning now. Before, I'd be in the accounting system, then the call logs, then somebody's spreadsheet, just to find out whether a client had rung about a patrol before I chased their invoice.
  18. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    What's that per contract, though? Does it save us anything I can put a number on?
  19. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    I can't give you a number, Nigel, not honestly. What I can say is that fewer chasers go out to clients who have an open complaint, and that has stopped a couple of awkward conversations.
  20. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Awkward conversations aren't a figure. Mm. But go on.
  21. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    Just to close the loop on that, Nigel. The question we hear most from your people is about a client's sites, incidents and invoices side by side. That is exactly what you bought it for. I'd like us to pick one or two of those questions and measure them properly before the renewal, rather than lean on anecdote.
  22. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    That I'd like. Which two?
  23. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    I'd suggest time spent preparing a client review for the account managers, and the number of chasers sent to clients with an open incident. Michelle, does that sound workable from your side?
  24. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    The second one, yes. I can pull what we send from the accounting system and we can compare it with before. The first is more of a conversation with the account managers.
  25. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    If I may, on the commercial side. The contract today is a Growth subscription at £39,600 a year, signed on 5 Jun 2025. That price reflected a first-term discount.
  26. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Which comes off at renewal, I assume.
  27. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    Yes. It applies to the first term only. To put a number on it, the renewal deal I have open is £44,000, which is the Growth list price, against the £39,600 you pay now. I'll send the full quote over today, with the VAT position written out, so that it isn't from memory.
  28. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Never accept a percentage without the base, so tell me the difference in pounds.
  29. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    It's £44,000 less £39,600. I'll put the difference on the quote itself, so you have it in black and white and don't have to take my arithmetic on trust.
  30. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Hm. Right.
  31. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Can I ask something about the invoicing? Will the renewal invoice go out on the same terms as last year? I'd rather not have to rearrange the payment run.
  32. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    Annual in advance, thirty-day terms, as now. If you'd prefer quarterly, we can do that on request. Do you want me to price both so Nigel can see them next to each other?
  33. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Annual is fine if the number is right. Cash is cash. We've paid on time, I take it?
  34. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    Nothing overdue on our side, and, Michelle, you'd know better than me.
  35. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Nothing outstanding. Everything's been paid inside terms.
  36. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Good. And support? I haven't heard anything from my people, which is either very good or very bad.
  37. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    In this case I think it's the good kind. There have been no tickets from you in the last thirty days, and nothing urgent. The nightly refresh has been landing before the start of the working day. How is the team finding it, Michelle, from the morning side?
  38. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Honestly, by the time I get in the data is there. The only thing I've noticed is people asking whether they can add a few more colleagues, but I told them to wait until we'd decided about the renewal.
  39. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    Michelle, I'd gently hold off on that. With forty licences and fewer than ten active on an average day, there is plenty of room on the licences you already have. I wouldn't want anyone adding people before the usage justifies it.
  40. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    That's an unusual thing for a salesman to say.
  41. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    I'd rather you renew with confidence than renew with a wish list. If the numbers say you need more later, we'll talk about it then.
  42. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    And that links to something I wanted to offer. We have forty seats and plenty of unused ones. Rather than add anyone, I could run a short training session for the account managers who haven't logged in much. An hour, on their own clients' data.
  43. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Who would that be, practically? I don't want to pull the whole sales floor off the phones.
  44. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    I'd guess a handful. I can ask the head of account management and come back to you, Daniel.
  45. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    I'll come back to you by Friday with a couple of slots, and we can fit around the rota.
  46. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Let me ask something else. What happens if I want to leave it as it is? Same tier, same everything, no extras.
  47. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    Then that is the renewal I've described: Growth, forty users, the connectors you have now, co-termed to your renewal date. Nothing more to it. The open deal in our system carries an expected close of Tuesday 26 May 2026, so that is the date I've been working to.
  48. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    That's three weeks away. And what if I'm not ready?
  49. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    Then say so, and I'll move it. The real deadline is the end of the term on 4 Jun 2026. I'd just rather not leave it until the last week, for your finance team's sake as much as ours.
  50. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Please, yes. Last year the paperwork landed late and it was a scramble.
  51. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    Which is partly why I'd like the usage evidence to reach Nigel early. If I send you a short summary next week, Nigel, with the two measures we talked about and the active users by team, would that help?
  52. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Yes. Keep it to one page. And show me the people by team, not just a total.
  53. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    One page, by team. Noted.
  54. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Can I raise one more thing? It's a small one. When a client disputes an invoice, I'd love to see the site visits and the incident log at the same time. I can do it now, but it takes several clicks.
  55. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    That's a good use. Let me try it while you're here, if you don't mind. Give me a client you're comfortable naming.
  56. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Use one of the larger retail ones, the dispute from last month.
  57. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    There. If I ask for the open invoice, the patrols logged on those dates and any incident reports, it brings them together. Does that match what you remember?
  58. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Yes. Yes, it does, and that's the part I'd be sorry to lose.
  59. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    How long did that take you just now?
  60. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Seconds, honestly. The old way is ten minutes if nobody interrupts me, and somebody always does.
  61. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Ten minutes a dispute. How many disputes? Get me that and I can do something with it.
  62. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    I'll count them from the accounting system. It won't be exact but it'll be honest.
  63. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    That would be a useful figure for the one-pager as well, Daniel. Disputes handled, with and without.
  64. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    Agreed. I'll keep it simple so it can't be argued with.
  65. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Fine. Anything else I should know before this goes further? Any price change coming that I haven't been told about?
  66. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    Not for this renewal. What I've described is the position, and the quote will say it in writing. If anything on it surprises you, tell me before you sign and not after.
  67. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Good. I'll have a look when it arrives.
  68. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Nigel, would you want me on the next call as well? I could bring the dispute numbers.
  69. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Yes. Bring them. And if my people tell me they don't use it, I'll tell you.
  70. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    I'd expect nothing less, and I'd rather hear it from you than guess. How is the team finding it is a question I'll keep asking until you're sick of it.
  71. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Ha, that's fair.
  72. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    So, to go through what happens next. I send the renewal quote today, VAT shown, with the difference from the current £39,600 spelled out. Daniel sends the one-page summary next week, by team. Michelle counts the disputes. Daniel offers training slots by Friday.
  73. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    And I'll check in with Michelle before the next call to see whether the training dates suit the rota.
  74. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Then we speak again once I've seen the page. Not before. Can we say a week after it arrives?
  75. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    Lovely. I'll send a short invitation after the one-pager goes out, and it'll still leave us comfortably ahead of the end of the term.
  76. Michelle Pomeroy
    Michelle Pomeroy
    Thank you both. That was more useful than I expected.
  77. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    Thank you all for your time. Just to close the loop, I'll send a note today summarising what we agreed, so nobody has to rely on memory.
  78. Nigel Fairbrother
    Nigel Fairbrother
    Right. Speak soon.
  79. Lewis Kerr
    Lewis Kerr
    Cheers, everyone. Quote coming this afternoon.
  80. Daniel Okafor
    Daniel Okafor
    Bye for now, all. Best wishes.

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